I have only been take once and that was on a newsgroup. eBay is as safe
as they get.
Ron WA0KDS
ebaysucks wrote:
> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> buyers beware
>
> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat do not under
any
> cir***stance give your checking account or credit card to these people.
They
> have figured a way to legitimize being taken to the cleaners. They
will ,
> can and do take your money out of your account automatically and you
will be
> left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses that line
DO
> NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often people needed
to
> do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's just one tell tale
> sign its not if, its when and for how much before your going to lose on
a
> transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full of fraud
>
>>>you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust
me
>>>there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk
>>>losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>>Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer
>>>Protection
>>>your liable to have to get it checked out to prove its bad, depending
on
>>>a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and so so far
I
>>>can't have
>>>it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
dollars
>>>though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>>small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>>..so ultimately buyer is not protected after ****pping even with
>>>paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>>chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't
care
>>>what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>that's just the beginning of the rants
>>Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>>carefully
>>lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a
awful
>>beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>>items with chance to get reasonable return)
>>When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
what
>>auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How
>>much
>>time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>>bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing
it
>>for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>>complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie
to
>>you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>>couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>>redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but
>>most
>>of it is just winging it. A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't
>>get
>>your
>>money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
>>just
>>takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often just an uncaring
>>middleman like a bookie
>>
>>Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't
>>ever
>>give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take
out
>>funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>>view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe
>>its
>>very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>>process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers
who
>>claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the
>>same
>>item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on.
At
>>some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this
is
>>why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its
just
>>as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is
with
>>them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to
>>Paypal
>>or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to
>>spot
>>the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>>doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE
not
>>twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these
people
>>your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your
>>life?
>>NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>>little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal
your
>>credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>
>>
>>
>>>My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>>there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>>descriptions
>>>Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>>auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>>Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>>protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited
often
>>>enough to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>>it.
>>>without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>>beware
>>>and its happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >>
this
>>>is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has
>>>actually lied to me , and
>>>on
>>>the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>>racket.
>
> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>
>>>You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to s****ts events
who
>>>could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not
>>>against them I am just
>>>showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you
>>>wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you
end
>>>up losing .>>
>>
>>that's just the beginning of the rants
>
> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> lots and lots of fees
> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
what
> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When
I
> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie
to
> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get
your
> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
just
> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often just an uncaring
> middleman like a bookie
>
>
> <teethering@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>for as long as I am online
>>Its full of fraud
>>you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>>Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>>your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>>have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>>dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless
you
>>read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after ****pping
even
>>with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>>bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>
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